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Tommy BOO
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Maybe I'm wrong and Peter Risdale will be a massive success at Barnsley and he's learned from his mistakes at Leeds. |
I truly hope so, and I don't think that he would do the same mistake again.
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But it annoys me that in the Leeds situation no-one wants to take the blame. Not O'Leary, not Risdale, not anyone. Their statements are always "Yes, I did a few things wrong but...." and then they list why its not their fault at all. |
Well, that's because there's more than just one who's responsible... O'Leary, Ridsdale and the other members of the board. Peter Ridsdale has admitted that he made some mistakes, but wouldn't you defend yourself as well in the same situation? Especially if almost everything that is said about you is rubbish.
I don't think that Peter Ridsdale is a multi-millionaire, by the way. According to some 'rumours' I've read, he doesn't even get paid yet, not until the financial situation at Barnsley looks any better, but that's probably just a wild rumour. He's the chairman of Barnsley Football Club now, but most of the money comes from Patrick Cryne who's a big Barnsley fan and apparently quite wealthy too. Mr Cryne knows nothing about how to run a football club, so he hired Ridsdale who hopefully has learned from his mistakes now.
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John Mc
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 15:06 Post subject: |
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| So what does Risdale blame the situation at Leeds on? Is it bad player purchases or just being unlucky or somethings else. I'm not being sarcastic or deliberately difficult here, I just don't think I know as much about the situation as I thought I did. |
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Tommy BOO
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 15:25 Post subject: |
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Bad player purchases, the bad times after the Champions League season, underperformers, some of O'Leary's mistakes as a manager... all those unlucky coincidences, you knows it clart!
I'm sure that if Ridsdale and the other members of the board could turn the clocks back, they would do that. After the lucky Champions League season (I can still remember the match against Anderlecht, maybe it would have been better if Leeds had lost that one after all...) they all probably thought that they belong to the European giants and started to spend a lot of money, hoping that they would stay up there. Of course it's now easy to say that they shouldn't have done that, and maybe they were too over-ambitious and got carried away, but it was all a horrible mistake.
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a horrible mistake.
I think that Ridsdale has been treated unfairly, but so far he has handled it in a very professional way... but that's just my opinion then, I suppose.
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John Mc
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 15:49 Post subject: |
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If they could turn back the clock then surely everyone would want Liverpool to have beaten Barnsley on the last day of the season - Liverpool would have got in the Champions League instead of Leeds and Barnsley would have been relegated. Then Barnsley wouldn't have overspent to stay up the next season and Leeds wouldn't have got delusions of grandeur. David Weatherall is to blame for this whole sorry mess.
Even if Leeds had qualified for Champions League the following seasons, I don't see how they would have avoided the financial troubles. If you get into and win the Champions League you get say £20 million over all. And they sold Rio Ferdinand for £30 million and Woodgate for £10m. Therefore, in an admittedly simplistic analysis, you'd assume that these two sales would be enough to get them through not qualifying for the Champions League for a couple of seasons. But, on top of that they've had to sell lots more players. I'd love to see the financial projections they had when they went to the banks and got their £60 million loan and see what they assumed they win. I had to fill out detailed financial forecast to get a £250 overdraft at Natwest so I'm not quite sure what you'd have to do to get £60 million.
If any good has come out the Leeds situation and other financial mismanagement by clubs I think its made everyone in the game more realistic. After seeing what's happened to Barnsley, Derby, Notts Forest etc. clubs that go into the Premier League don't buy big any more and their supporters don't demand them to. |
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discoRdance
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 16:54 Post subject: |
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go to Man. Utd and he can do both, I say! 
doesn't he know Eric Cantona honed his acting skills at the
Theatre Of Dreams
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 17:23 Post subject: |
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If they could turn back the clock then surely everyone would want Liverpool to have beaten Barnsley on the last day of the season. |
Actually it was Bradford we beat on the last day of the season. I'm going to stick to the "Which is the king of chocolate bars" thread from now on. |
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Setareh Juventina
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 17:24 Post subject: |
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Cantona, God to you and I, is having his birthday today...the legend is 38 years old. Hail!
How often do you love a player with a team you really really hate?
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Dave w.
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i can't remember ever loving a player on a team i hate, certainly not cantona...
there've been worse people in football than peter ridsdale. he made big mistakes at leeds, but they were honest mistakes, borne out of a fan-like desire to be successful. some people take advantage of clubs for their own personal and financial gain. i don't think (beyond a large salary, which ok maybe he didn't justify overall) he really benefitted financially from the decisions he made. he didn't sell the ground or anything. maybe he should have taken more of a back-seat role, rather than being in the media all the time. i think he came to prominence after the 2 leeds fans were killed in turkey, and handled that situation very well. maybe he should have stepped back into the shadows after that.
praise be to rick parry for making the right decision today. quite how houllier thought the decision came from media pressure on him and the board, rather than results will remain a mystery. now hopefully the club can make another right decision by telling thaksin shinawatra where to stick his blood money, and it will be a really good week. |
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amen to that clart.
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Tommy BOO
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| Posted: Mon May 24, 2004 21:27 Post subject: |
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Well said, Dave. I agree with that.
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If any good has come out the Leeds situation and other financial mismanagement by clubs I think its made everyone in the game more realistic. After seeing what's happened to Barnsley, Derby, Notts Forest etc. clubs that go into the Premier League don't buy big any more and their supporters don't demand them to. |
That's a good point as well, John. As a Barnsley fan I'm confident that Peter Ridsdale won't make the same mistake anymore - hopefully with his help the club gets promoted back to Division One, and maybe even to the Premier League again one day!
Barnsley weren't really guilty of overspending their money though, that's not right. Even though only six years have passed since we played in the Premier League, the fact is that Barnsley FC are a small club, even in Division One. If Darren Barnard hadn't missed that penalty in the playoffs final in 2000 that cost us the promotion, things probably would be much different now. But not necessarily better though.
The (financial) gap between the Premier League and lower divisions is ridiculously big, and it's getting bigger all the time. Because of the fall of ITV Digital (hmmm. or something else) many lower division clubs are in big trouble now. Barnsley's finances stayed in balance as long as they received the 'parachute' money from the Premier League as well.
And by the way John, it's RI
D
SDALE, not RISDALE. 
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 09:06 Post subject: |
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fucking hell tommy, are you going out with this guy? x
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Tommy BOO
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 15:11 Post subject: |
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fucking hell tommy, are you going out with this guy? x
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ha ha... nah, he's a bit too old for me anyway.
yeah, right... it just annoys me when people say that Ridsdale should be banned from football for life or something (John didn't obviously mean it that way though). they don't know the facts, they have no idea what really happened. people really shouldn't believe all the lies and bullshit in the newspapers, british media is a bit crap like that, in my opinion. of course i don't know the truth about what really happened either, and i probably wouldn't care about the whole thing this much if Ridsdale wasn't the Barnsley chairman now, but i think i do know a little bit more than the average british moaner. i understand if the Leeds fans don't like him at the moment, but it amazes me how the whole nation (except for Barnsley) has turned against him.
anyway, just want to make this clear... like i already said, no, i'm not going out with Peter Ridsdale. haha! i just had a chat with him once and shook his hand (not his
stevens
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i'd forgotten about his stevens, classic gag clart.
what are the finnish papers like about the footy tom? are they as over the top about it as they are here? do they feature the english league and if they do is mainly the premiership or do they cover the nationwide as well?
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Tommy BOO
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| Posted: Tue May 25, 2004 16:15 Post subject: |
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i'd forgotten about his stevens, classic gag clart.
what are the finnish papers like about the footy tom? are they as over the top about it as they are here? do they feature the english league and if they do is mainly the premiership or do they cover the nationwide as well?
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what finnish footy papers?
there are no proper footy papers in finland actually, which is a bit shite really. football really isn't very big thing here, you know. we haven't ever even qualified for the world cup or european championships. never ever. 4 years ago we were pretty close but in the final match of our qualifying group, on the second half injury time we scored an own goal and got knocked out by hungary.
we get the finnish version of Goal! and World Soccer magazine here but to be honest they're pretty crap. they only talk about the Champions League all the time. then we have some weekly finnish papers that have some pretty good articles about british football, including lower divisions, but then they write about rubbish such as formula one or some bloody horse riding as well. i used to get the english MotD (match of the day) magazine as well which was really good actually, but they haven't sold it for years now.
the funny thing is that no one really cares about finnish footy here. well, it's not so funny, i find it quite sad actually. i went to see a finnish premier league match a couple of weeks ago - Inter Turku V FC Lahti. the match was really entertaining and i saw one of the best goals i've ever seen, but there were only a little more than 6000 people watching the match. and that's finnish premier league. and the attendance record of Inter Turku!! people only turned up because they wanted to see the return of the king. no, not the movie, Jari Litmanen was supposed to play his first match for his old club FC Lahti that day. but he didn't because he was injured (again).
sometimes i go to see my local club here as well, but the atmosphere is always crap because even in the biggest matches there's never more than 300 people in the crowd. when i saw the Oakwell at Barnsley for the first time some years ago and experienced the atmosphere there, i was totally amazed. i probably can't even imagine what it's like in the FA cup final at the Millennium Stadium.
the biggest difference that i've noticed between British and Finnish newspapers is that the Finnish ones tend to be much more neutral, whereas their British counterparts like to voice their own opinions and theories about pretty much everything. i don't know which one of those is better in the end, but sometimes i really hate British newspapers. which might be a good thing as well actually, if you know what i mean.
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| Tommy, in Finland is the English FA Cup Final on TV? In the build up to the game here there's always foreign players saying how the English FA Cup is a big thing in their country and they grew up watching it and dreamed of playing in it. I'd really like to believe it true, please tell me that the whole of Finland came to a stand still on Saturday as the nation sat down to watch Man U vs Millwall. |
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