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Tommy BOO
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I found this chart quite ... interesting.
http://chrisevans3d.com/files/iq.htm
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Dave w.
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| Posted: Mon Nov 08, 2004 19:19 Post subject: |
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wow. the people who voted for bush are stupid. who'd have thought?  |
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mixedcasesspaces
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 09:57 Post subject: |
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Ah, I've just read that exact same link on the Mogwai web site, and someone gave this reply:
"I know this isn't a forum for message boards but I just had to comment on the question with the link between IQ and Kerry voters. That was the biggest crock of shit I've ever seen! Here is another link that posts IQs and DC is right at the bottom! http://www.sq.4mg.com/IQ-States.htm Anyway, I just want to expose the ignorance of people that don't research all the facts. I think both Bush and Kerry voters were guilty of voting before they researched both sides thoroughly. And now please let the political topics rest for at least four more years"
Good old statistics eh?!
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BeeOK
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Thanks for this Tommy Boo. I stole it and posted it on my more regular board and it was analyzed and torn apart within a matter of moments. The thing is it’s a music board but very liberal. I'll post one quote:
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Based on the Wechsler scales of intelligence, for both children and adults, the mean is 100 and the standard deviation is 15. Approximately 68% of persons tend to fall between +1 and -1 sds. Above/below average intelligence based on these scales is generally considered to be greater than 1-2 sds above the mean. So technically, all of those scores are in the "normal" range of intelligence.
That being said, it's clearly not a scientific poll at all, and all the "results" are extremely dubious. For those not in the know, take extreme caution when interpreting any intelligence score. |
I happen to think that it’s kind of accurate knowing the states but take it with a grain of salt.
After looking at what Mixed posted, I'll go ahead and post just one more very interesting quote from my post today.
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| I also recently read in a CS Monitor story regarding party lines that college graduates are actually MORE likely to vote Rep. whereas grad school graduates are more likely to vote Dem. (as are those who didn't make it past High School). For the record. Interesting fact given that there are way more college grads in the country than grad-school grads, and that there are also more Bush-voters. |
So maybe that famous quote is accurate afterall, from Winston Churchill:
"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains".
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Setareh Juventina
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 14:42 Post subject: |
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"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains".
I hate that, that's something conservatives say when they want to make themselves feel better.
It should be more like if you're over 30 and not conservative then you're not selfish.
Besides, who says a good heart and a sharp mind can't be combined?
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Monkey Boy
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| Setareh Juventina wrote: |
"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains".
I hate that, that's something conservatives say when they want to make themselves feel better.
It should be more like if you're over 30 and not conservative then you're not selfish.
Besides, who says a good heart and a sharp mind can't be combined?
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I agree. That quote is far too glib for my liking.
Although Churchill did once say something along the lines of - "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." |
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Kris
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| Monkey Boy wrote: |
| Setareh Juventina wrote: |
"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains".
I hate that, that's something conservatives say when they want to make themselves feel better.
It should be more like if you're over 30 and not conservative then you're not selfish.
Besides, who says a good heart and a sharp mind can't be combined?
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I agree. That quote is far too glib for my liking.
Although Churchill did once say something along the lines of - "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." |
So for the most part Churchill was full of shit then?
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BeeOK
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I need to defend this now; I am over 30 in America and not even close to being conservative. I do think that once you have kids it might put a different spin on life and therefore change your point of view. I think that it’s the root of where that quote came from though I don’t think I will ever change my point of view, kids or not.
I like to look at issues from both points of view and than make up my own mind. Close-mindedness is when things start to break down.
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Tommy Tynans Lovechild
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| Posted: Tue Nov 09, 2004 20:45 Post subject: |
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About Conservatives, TomTynLc say...
Anyone who votes Conservative at any age is a complete moralless cunt.
About Americans
Far too much generalising about them and their politics these days. Our political system is every bit as limited on choice and every bit as fucked. And the USA played a huge part in trade unionism, workers rights, freedom of speech etc - Its not fair to steretype them now just 'cos most of the ones who voted are muppets. 'Tis the same here. Begining to think its the same all the world over... |
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Setareh Juventina
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"unionism, workers rights, freedom of speech etc"
In America (note, not Americans only!) they are always extremely proud of their freedom of speech and they think they were first with it, and that they're alone with it now. Sweden has had it longer.
And unionism and worker's rights are not on top of the agenda these days.
I will not go into 'rea' free speech and all of that.
"I do think that once you have kids it might put a different spin on life and therefore change your point of view."
This isn't a reply directly to you, but I know a lot of people go more conservative as they grow older and have children. If I had children I think I'd like them to live in a world where they know that other people are happy and safe too, not just they themselves. That matters, not only how much money we have in the family.
"The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter."
Haha...that is funny. Unfortunately this is also partly true.
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Tommy Tynans Lovechild
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"unionism, workers rights, freedom of speech etc"
In America (note, not Americans only!) they are always extremely proud of their freedom of speech and they think they were first with it, and that they're alone with it now. Sweden has had it longer.
And unionism and worker's rights are not on top of the agenda these days.
I will not go into 'rea' free speech and all of that.
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Agree with most of that - my point was that there is too much stereotyping of, heck, United States of Americans and that their country has had a positive effect in some areas (something I think most people overlook, tbh I think alot of Brits quite happily slag the USA off for things they are guilty of themselves).
Heck workers rights aren't top of anyones agenda though the European Union tries to make it so sometimes. Bless it.
Anyway i'm off to play shania twains greatest hits now... MAN! I FEEL LIKE A WOMAN! ERG ERG ERG ER ER ERG ERG! |
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Setareh Juventina
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Yeah but today I interviewed these 18-19 yearolds who had been away in Scotland and Belgium on internship and I'll say, we have rights as workers compared to other places!
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The very mention of Churchill and that stupid quote used by selfish Tories makes my blood boil - he was a really nasty piece of work that you're not even allowed to voice criticism of in this country (let alone give a mohican!) People seem to forget his order to the British army to shoot and kill British people during a miners strike in 1911. He also said if they couldn't afford to eat food they should eat grass. Nice. What a hero, eh? And that's just the tip of the iceberg - the other thing that springs to mind his his thinly veiled anti-semitism. Also just found this:
"British Gen. Alexander, a fervent Christian, refused to obey Churchill's direct orders to hand over anti-Communist Russian prisoners of war to Stalin after the war. Since he was too widely admired and respected to fire, Churchill moved him 'up and out' to be Governor-General of Canada, then proceeded to get his purposes accomplished. British troops were ordered to hunt down and shoot Russian prisoners who tried to escape their fate. Some British troops, weeping, refused to fire on the hapless Russians and were then threatened by their officers with drawn pistols and made to do so. All were then read the Official Secrets Act and compelled to keep their silence. To this day, the vast majority of the British public know nothing of this war crime - directly ordered by Churchill." |
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Tommy BOO
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 14:41 Post subject: |
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Well, there are no war
heroes
anyway.
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Monkey Boy
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| Posted: Wed Nov 10, 2004 16:15 Post subject: |
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| Kinkster wrote: |
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| Setareh Juventina wrote: |
"Any man who is under 30, and is not a liberal, has not heart; and any man who is over 30, and is not a conservative, has no brains".
I hate that, that's something conservatives say when they want to make themselves feel better.
It should be more like if you're over 30 and not conservative then you're not selfish.
Besides, who says a good heart and a sharp mind can't be combined?
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I agree. That quote is far too glib for my liking.
Although Churchill did once say something along the lines of - "The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter." |
So for the most part Churchill was full of shit then? |
Well.....he was a tory.
I think he was right about democracy though. Overrated. |
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