a question

[paulwhite]

is it mandatory for bands to release the same album twice now???????,

well?????



Re-issue! Re-package! Re-package!
Re-evaluate the songs
double pack with a photograph
Extra Track (and a tacky badge)

[Tommy BOO]

that's a good point mr paulwhite.
what do you think of remastered albums then?
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[paulwhite]

well given my mad faces, at the time i was unhappy. I had just recieved a mail about turin brakes being re-released or summit, not that i bought it first time round,

um, generally i think re-releases of old/rare albums, with a load of extra tracks (only if they're worthwhile), is sound,

but re-releasing an album six months later with an "extra track", or DVD or video singles is just such a sell out,

surely it's not all the down to the record companies, the artists must have some say?,

i certainly wouldn't sign a record contract that gave me no control whatsoever about what is being released of mine.

urgh
pd

[Dubya_T]

And there's the rub....
Record companies make out that downloading music is ripping off artists, and yet they are the biggest perpertrators of that!!

When an artist records an album for a record company, the record company owns the recording, not the artist. The artist has publishng rights but ultimately has no rights whatsoever to the actual recording because it was the record company tha paid for it.
So the record company can repackage, re release etc. to it's heart's content and the artist has no say whatsoever.
It's criminal really. It can mean that for each album sold the artist receives around 20p once the record compnay has taken it's cut. Out of this cut the band has to pay the record company back for the recording of the album.
I don't know how Martin & the Boos found it. I do know that one reason they split was that they couldn't afford to carry on. I wouldn't be surprised if sales of the back catalogue are still paying off the debt to the record company for the recording.

A favourite of mine, although terribly unfashionable, is Marillion. (www.marillion.com)
They took the step of getting fans to pre-order their last album. That way they could afford to record it themselves and so, own the recording. All those that pre-ordered got an exclusive second CD.
They are doing a similar thing with their forthcoming record, except this time it's financing a tour as well. They also manged to repay their debt to EMI (former record company) by getting them to release remasters of all their EMI albums complete with 2nd CD's full of B-sides and unreleased material.
Uncool band perhaps, but leading the way in terms of kicking the record industry up the arse

[Tommy BOO]

if you tolerate this then your children will be next
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[paulwhite]

ok,

but couldn't there be a clause in the contract that say the artist gets a say in the recordings?,

it seems bands like radiohead are pretty much in control of they're songs, but they're signed to a major. I'm sure they would be re-sold to hell and back if the record company had their way.

What are independent labels take on all of this??,

pd

[CranesAreFlying]

http://www.negativland.com/albini.html
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[paulwhite]

do you really think i've got the attention span to read that?

pd

[loghorn feghorn IV]

If it's the article I think it is ('some of yr friends might be really fucked' or something like that) then it is well worth reading.

radiohead do as they are told, sulking and selling loads of records first week and then nothing after doesn't mean they don't have to play the game.
x

[ciaran]

Good article.

I think people in bands are some of the most fucked over people working. It's a pretty sick business, especially for those who kind of hit the big time, but not quite.

[paulwhite]

in all fairness, though, I wouldn't refuse a record contract if it stiches me up every which way, it's gotta be better than what i'm doing now.

pd

[Kris]

Well it makes me glad I didn't fuckin bother - and I have had a LOT OF VERY SHIT JOBS.
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feeling so removed, drifting thru stealing air then...
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[paulwhite]

hmm, just read it, that really is hideous,

anyone know how indie labels run then??,

with wichita and twisted nerve being my fave labels now, i'd be interested in how they run.

pd

[CranesAreFlying]

Well, again that is Steve Albini. Genius f#ing producer, but I think he's badmouthed just about every recording he's made (and lots of them, like In Utero were top notch). I think the main issue is what are you signing? Seems like those on XL, Astalwerks are never complaining.

On the other hand you've got bands like the Mary Chain who despite having been one of the great Creation bands, just did everything as wrong as it could have been done (and I'm not talking about the music!). Check out any of the more substantial interviews with Jim or William, and it's like reading " How to not Make Money in the Music Business for Dummies ". You can be dealt a decent hand and play it wrong.

and being on a mission to drink all of the beer in the world doesn't help much either.
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[Kris]

Well from people I have known is moderately successful bands they seem to be able to tour and record, and live on basic pocket money. One particular band I have mentioned here before just haven't stopped touring, have seen the world, are recording their second album, and are totally bankrupt

Kinkster
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feeling so removed, drifting thru stealing air then...
pause and think about it, try to move and shift the pain, but it's there you feel it kicking and you scream and feel alive."