how did we get it so wrong?

[sparky]

just reading bbc news, man it's proper depressing. it has to be one of the most worst days for news ever, and still no signs of us figuring out how to run the planet. is it really so difficult?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

also this post will look daft if loads of great things happen in the next couple of hours but in a nutshell the news in the uk today is we are marking the anniversary of the gassing of millions of people, four guys who have been tortured for four years have now been released without charge (surprise there!), a doctor has killed 250 of his patients, the government are doing away with our civil liberties, american soldiers are torturing and humiliating various people from other races around the world, the sudanese air force are bombing villages...

anyway you get the picture!

[Kris]

"The four Britons released from Guantanamo Bay are freed by UK, but the US says they remain a security threat."

Well they probably are now you stupid fucks.
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[Setareh Juventina]

If they have been freed by UK authorities maybe they are not a threat anymore?

L&P
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[Kris]

Not necessarily to the UK. Maybe they were never threats in the first place, only to be treated like this by "anti-terrorists".

The point is, how do you deal with people who are "potentially" terrorists? By locking them up in chains for 4 years?

Anyone would come out of there a million times more hateful of America's "Freedom"
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feeling so removed, drifting thru stealing air then...
pause and think about it, try to move and shift the pain, but it's there you feel it kicking and you scream and feel alive."

[Dubya - T]

The World's Gone Mad....
I looked on the BBC website and found this story quite sobering, and gave
everything a bit of perspective.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4211475.stm

Not exactly light reading, but quite touching at times.

For what it's worth Dubya Bush is only acting like a Christian. They go around imposing their religion on everyone they meet. In fact Christianity is the only religion that advocates trying to convert everyone to their way of life.
All he's doing is trying to do is impose "the American Way" on the rest of the world. Quite how this can be rationalised by dropping bombs on people is a mystery to me. As for the abuses of prisoners by America and Britain, just remember that it was the British who invented the concentration camp and that war crimes are only committed by the losing side.

It's a sorry state that we are living in a time with only one superpower. At least during the Cold War there was the fear of the Russians to keep the USA in check. Someone once likened the cold war to two people standing in a bath of petrol with one saying "i've got a match and I'll light it!" and the other saying "but I've got two".

I was talking to a strange Indian man who lives down the road from me the other day. He claims he is an ex nuclear scientist turned environmentalist and that he is now in a group of like minded people trying to persuade world Governments to stop destroying the world. He says he is now tired of it as nobody is listening. He is going to one last conference and will then give up and go back to India (he wants to buy my Bedford Ambulance camper van to do this!) The strangest thing he said was that his group said there would be a disaster like the recent Tsunami back in 1988. He then said that there would be far worse to come in 2007 and a final massive event in 2017.
He may of course be mad! (he was extolling the virtues of Indian Grass to me another time I met him, so who knows) After all I do live quite close to Glastonbury, I had trouble booking my wedding at the Town Hall as we had to fit in between the Goddess Conference and the Crop Circle Seminar!
But we'll see.

In the meantime I would like to borrow a couple of phrases.
"Mobilise, or this is what you get"
and from the Americans themselves "We the people..."
That might be our only hope.

Rant over.
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[Setareh Juventina]

[gillworm]

do we ever escape our past as animals, our 'survival of the fittest' genes? the violence lurks under the apparently sophisticated surface and occasionally breaks out.

just when you think you've heard about absolutely the worst thing that happened during the holocaust, you read one more sentence about absolute cruelty that makes you wonder how anyone could actually think of doing that horrible deed, never mind actually going ahead and doing it for real...to thousands of other human beings.

[Kris]

The fascinating bit of it for me is that in the late 19th century Germany was one of the most cultured, artistic and civilised countries in the world, and in the space of little over 40 years became a hateful and sadistic population.

There's every sign that it could happen again, and nothing to say it can't happen anywhere in the first world very soon.

Question time last night was great. "How can we sit here talking about learning lessons from the Holocaust, when Genocide and atrocities are happening all over, for example in Rwanda, and we are doing nothing about it?"
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feeling so removed, drifting thru stealing air then...
pause and think about it, try to move and shift the pain, but it's there you feel it kicking and you scream and feel alive."

[Tommy BOO]

[Setareh Juventina]

[Tommy BOO]

[Dagnasty]

[Bev]

Did anyone see 'Conspiracy' on BBC2 a few years back? Chilling. It was a drama based on the surviving minutes of a meeting where all these middle-ranking Nazis met in a villa to discuss the Final Solution - the scary thing was it was all agendas, office politics and power struggles - ignoring the actual topic of discussion, it wasn't much different to meetings I've had at work...

I've got it on DVD recentally, but am waiting to be in the right mood (whatever that might be).
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[Setareh Juventina]

I wasn't there Tommy so I can't say for sure, but I trust Erich Fromm, some people really went along with those ideas without being forced into it or threatned to it.

Love & Peace
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[Kris]

I'll rephrase my point.

That a country like Germany could become a Nation which was capable of such atrocities in such a short space of time, leads me to believe it could happen to any first world country whatsoever, unless memories of such atrocities are kept alive.

Question Time last night said that 6 out of 10 under-30 year olds had NEVER heard of the Holocaust....... How the hell did we let that happen??
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feeling so removed, drifting thru stealing air then...
pause and think about it, try to move and shift the pain, but it's there you feel it kicking and you scream and feel alive."