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PostPosted: Sun Jun 05, 2005 03:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave w. wrote:

isn't there something a bit cynical about making no changes at all to the style that has made them so successful? isn't that partly what people hate about "artists" like phil collins? and isn't it one of the things that makes martin such a great songwriter, that he can write songs that encompass a wide range of styles and pull them all off?


The first two albums are still widely available and Chris Martin is unlikely to be seen down the dole office if the new album doesn't sell so why not go a bit crazy and try something different. Even Texas did that thing with the Wu Tang Clan when they were really big. It was shit but at least it was different.

Actually its comparitively easy to come back with something different when you're last album was massive. The bands I admire are those who come back with something new and exciting when the last record didn't exactly fly off the shelves. eg. The Manics coming back with Faster, Blur with 'Modern Life is Rubbish', the Boo's with 'Free Huey'

Actually I suppose its easy (and fun) for me to have a go at people but I'm not sure what I'd really do in Chris Martins position. But all the interviews I've read with him around the release of this album all seem to equate being a 'big' band with being a good band. And loads of the reviews have talked about the amounts of 'units' its going to shift as though that bares any relation to how good the record is.

Looking back to the golden age of the 90's after their big breakthrough records Blur and Oasis came back with The Great Escape and Morning Glory which were essentially less good versions of the previous albums and sold squillions. Meanwhile Pulp and the Boo's came back with the 'This Is Hardcore' and "C'mon Kids' which were different from what they'd done before and didn't trouble the chart compilers quite as much. However I still listen CK and TIH loads and will probably do so until the day I die whereas I can't remember the last time i listened the Blur or Oasis ones. This might be no consolation to Martins accountant though.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

John M wrote:
Looking back to the golden age of the 90's after their big breakthrough records Blur and Oasis came back with The Great Escape and Morning Glory which were essentially less good versions of the previous albums and sold squillions. Meanwhile Pulp and the Boo's came back with the 'This Is Hardcore' and "C'mon Kids' which were different from what they'd done before and didn't trouble the chart compilers quite as much. However I still listen CK and TIH loads and will probably do so until the day I die whereas I can't remember the last time i listened the Blur or Oasis ones. This might be no consolation to Martins accountant though.



Very true. The only difference I can see between this and the Coldplay is that, while treading the same territory, Coldplay are actually improving with every album. I thought Parachutes was shit, then very much liked Rush..., and now I love X&Y.

Heard them live on Radio 1 last night too. I can't fucking wait for Glasto now.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 07, 2005 22:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

i like it. it's excellent tube music.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 03:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kinkster wrote:


Very true. The only difference I can see between this and the Coldplay is that, while treading the same territory, Coldplay are actually improving with every album. I thought Parachutes was shit, then very much liked Rush..., and now I love X&Y.

Heard them live on Radio 1 last night too. I can't fucking wait for Glasto now.

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I actually quite like Coldplay but I thought 'Speed of Sound' was a piss poor comeback single. Not heard anything else off the album though.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 06:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think fix you is good and the last song which was meant for johnny cash..the rest is pleasant...but it's no ok computer, which i think is what martin was using as his yardstick (accroding to insider opinion)
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 20:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

ciaranm wrote:
it's no ok computer, which i think is what martin was using as his yardstick (accroding to insider opinion)


really? i don't remember martin ever expressing an opinion about radiohead, so i had it my mind that he wasn't a fan, but i'd be glad to be wrong.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 08, 2005 21:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave you know he's talking about Chris Martin right?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 18:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Dave you know he's talking about Chris Martin right?


Embarassed oops! reading it again there's no reason to think that it was mr carr!

it's hard to believe that coldplay have made, or even tried to make, an album as ambitious and varied as ok computer, though.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 19:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

here's a good review of the new album:


"Don't Panic", the opening track of Coldplay's first album, drew its title from the famous motto of Douglas Adams' Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy novels. Two albums later, it seems they chose the wrong Adams catchphrase; most of their recorded output is better exemplified by the Guide's description of Earth: "Mostly harmless." In their seven years together, Coldplay have risen to monumental levels of popularity on a potent mixture of nice-guy charm, serviceable songwriting, and general inoffensiveness. Unfortunately, these aren't the kind of traits that often lead to interesting music. Not that the band hasn't taken the occasional stabs at creativity and innovation; it's just that those attempts have always been carefully measured, or even nervously self-conscious.

Coldplay have never seemed intent on world domination, but as their early singles caught on, journalists came waving raves. Then, with nearly 5 million copies of Parachutes sold worldwide and their popularity on the upswing, the band's sophomore album, A Rush of Blood to the Head, found the band unsure of how to advance. Luckily for them, their decision to virtually recreate Parachutes on a larger budget paid off commercially: The album got them tagged as "the next U2," a ridiculously off-base coronation that ignores the fact that U2 recorded "I Will Follow", "New Year's Day", "Bad", and The Joshua Tree, among others, before they wandered off into the MOR wilderness.

Coldplay, meanwhile, started in the middle of the road and haven't strayed since. Granted, they've produced a handful of good songs-- "Don't Panic", "Shiver", and "The Scientist" are all fine achievements, while "Clocks" remains a great piano part in search of an equally great melody-- but their albums have yet to justify the critical hyperbole, and their third full-length, X&Y, isn't going to be the one to lock that down. Though dressed to the nines in big guitars and faultless musicianship, X&Y is unable to lay claim to even a single song equal to any of the high points from their first two albums, and the band's obvious desire to be all things to all people doesn't help: They long to be huge and expansive, in The Unforgettable Fire mode ("A Message"), tear-jerking AOR balladeers ("Fix You"), and hip, Kraftwerk-referencing aesthetes ("Talk"), but at heart, they're really built for easy listening, which makes their rockers feel cursory and their ballads simpering.

X&Y is sequenced fast-song/slow-song through almost its entire running order, which means those of you uninterested in wading through doe-eyed love songs based on lazy rhyming couplets and trite resolutions have already lost half a disc's worth of music. You'll "go backwards and then/ You'll go forwards again." You'll "get lost and then get found." You'll notice that the first verse of "Swallowed in the Sea" ("You cut me down a tree/ And brought it back to me/ And that's what made me see/ Where I was coming from") is somehow meaningless, yet also cliched. Had Coldplay accompanied these lyrics with remotely interesting or memorable music, this could be somewhat overlooked; sadly, "Swallowed in the Sea" is one of several aggressively banal ballads that sink this album into a sort of neo-Carpenters abyss.

The more uptempo tracks here tend to be light years better than their leaden counterparts, if only because the louder accompaniment manages to drown out more of Chris Martin's lyrics and bring the focus to his pleasant if unspectacular vocals. Guitarist John Buckland does his part to bring life to the proceedings: He's an encyclopedia of Will Sergeant and Johnny Marr-isms, and even if most of his window dressings are little more than a distillation of tricks learned from better bands, he does a nice job of providing the illusion of a grand gesture for songs like "Square One" and "White Shadows". Martin's vocals, meanwhile, rarely command attention, content to melt into the string synthesizer and guitar reverb as if he hopes he's not imposing on you. Listening back to an earlier track like "Shiver" proves he's capable of more.

Lending to the uninspired nature is lead single "Speed of Sound"'s uncanny resemblance to "Clocks". Certainly, it rarely hurts to stick with what works, but this is not just a near-exact replica of its successful predecessor; it's also a less memorable song riding a piano hook that has so deeply infiltrated the pop-culture landscape that I've become numb to it. In fairness, the track's vocal melody outperforms the one from "Clocks" by a hair, but without a strong hook, the song fails in the one category it needs to succeed in: replay value. It's symptomatic of the rest of the album, and indeed, much of the band's catalog to date: Like Coldplay's two previous albums, only more so, X&Y is bland but never offensive, listenable but not memorable. It may be pointless to hate them, but with this album, they've almost certainly become the easiest band on the planet to be completely indifferent to.

- http://pitchforkmedia.com/record-reviews/c/coldplay/x-and-y.shtml



I say: X & Y = ZZzzzz...
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 00:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

i say pitchforkmedia = arse
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 10, 2005 01:46    Post subject: dRd sez: Reply with quote

Anonymous wrote:
i say pitchforkmedia = arse


well, you're perfectly entitled to your wrong opinion Smile

(as long as you don't keep annoying me with it)
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's a so-so album... Nuthin' special, but I have to admit liking it despite myself. I think the melodies are so much stronger than the copy-cats like Starsailer...

Having once spent a week with nothing to listen to but French radio, where the only mock-indie playing was Coldplay, I've had a soft spot for 'em since.
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