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Kris
Joined: 16 Sep 2002 Posts: 2550 Location: Sheffield
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 09:28 Post subject: |
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ciaranm wrote: |
How much they detest George Bush is farcical, some frank honesty would be better
Idea of heaven?
Money
Person you most detest and why?
The fucker who gave my latest album/tv show/book a bad review. My ex wife/husband. The kid who bullied me in school. |
This strikes me as quite odd. you seem to have an incredibly low view of most people in the world.
I was bullied in a fucking awful way at school, and it left me so scarred it's taken me so far 10 years and probably another 20 before I stop thinking/dwelling/crying about it on almost a daily basis. I have worked on a computer game that for the most part got good reviews but in a couple of instances was destroyed by the press, one person in particular obviously never played the damn thing.
I don't however, hate any of these people more than I hate George Bush. Just because lot's of people say it doesn't make it an auto fit answer. I don't cry myself to sleep at night dwelling on my hatred for the man, and no I am not fully up to date with every single policy of the conservative government in order to base my judgement.
Also, to be fair to Moore, he spends a hel;l of a lot of time destroying Clinton and the Democrats policies in his books too. _________________ "fashioned by the blade of a world that doesn't care,
feeling so removed, drifting thru stealing air then...
pause and think about it, try to move and shift the pain, but it's there you feel it kicking and you scream and feel alive." |
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Darraghh Guest
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 13:09 Post subject: |
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for once I can actually say i agree with Ciaran here and vouch that he was suspicious of Michael Moore long before it was cool to do so, and as for him having "an incredibly low view of most people in the world," why not? a healthy dose of cynicism toward people in the public eye goes a long way in this age of bullshit. Incidentally, Ciaran has an incredibly high view of most of his good friends, maybe because he's always incredibly high hahaha.
Darragh.
PS. the new streets album is brilliant, actually its fuckin magnificent but then eweryone already knows. Fuckin top notch. |
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ciaranm Guest
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 13:21 Post subject: |
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The bullying thing may have been misinterpreted I just used it as an example of a person that another person is more likley to detest, ie they are more likely to be from their personal life rather than a political figure (if they were being honest). I;m really having a go at how easy it is to bladder on about Bush being the devil blah blah blah, and I'm not aiming it at readers of this board who actually are socially aware and able to put their money where their mouth is.
I'm also not making any excuses for Bush and Co, it's just that he's the cause celebre to mouth off about; actually at least you guys have the power to shift that much more detestable cretin (Tony Blair) who is more morally ambiguous, and downtrodden than Bush which in effect makes him a much more "detestable" person. |
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bravecaptain
Joined: 08 Feb 2003 Posts: 859
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 14:00 Post subject: |
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I went off Michael Moore when I went to see him in London a couple of years ago then I loved him again when I saw 'Bowling For Columbine' then I went off him again after spotting some innaccuracies on the third or fourth time (and seeing that website). I was ambivalent about 'Dude!'. I get his mailing lists, he is more concerned about Disney not showing his film at the minute rather than coalition soldiers torturing Iraqis. I have faith in him despite this. Not as funny as Bill Hicks, not as clever as Noam Chomsky, thats not his fault, who is?
Does Michael Moore dream of liberal sheep?
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Kris
Joined: 16 Sep 2002 Posts: 2550 Location: Sheffield
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 14:22 Post subject: |
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ciaranm wrote: |
at least you guys have the power to shift that much more detestable cretin (Tony Blair) who is more morally ambiguous, and downtrodden than Bush which in effect makes him a much more "detestable" person. |
Now that is one thing we are both in total agreement about. I'm lucky in that through pure accident I couldn't vote for the cunt in 1997. Even so, that bastard and New Labours recent policies give me reason to be ashamed to be English.
Dumb question time.... If all The Liberal Democrats do is say what everyone wants to hear, whay aren't they more popular?
Kinks _________________ "fashioned by the blade of a world that doesn't care,
feeling so removed, drifting thru stealing air then...
pause and think about it, try to move and shift the pain, but it's there you feel it kicking and you scream and feel alive." |
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John Mc
Joined: 29 Oct 2003 Posts: 1398
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 14:56 Post subject: |
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Kinkster wrote: |
Dumb question time.... If all The Liberal Democrats do is say what everyone wants to hear, whay aren't they more popular?
Kinks |
I think a big part of the problem is Charles Kennedy. If the Liberal Democrats could get their act together then they'd be in with a real chance of becoming a major political force at the next election. People may turn against Labour if things continue to wrong in Iraq and everyone still remembers how bad the Tories were last time. Charles Kennedy comes across as a decent bloke but sounding like he's got real authority about him. They need a media savvy Blair-esque leader to come in and sort out their public image.
Also I thinks lots of people just vote for the party they've always voted for or their parents did. They'll always vote Labour or Conservative irrespective of current events, leaders or policies. The same sort of people who buy The Sun and think its a Labour paper. Actually it is these days isn't it, that rather destroys my argument but I'll carry on anyway. I don't think the Liberal Democrats have this sort of underlying support and it will take them decades to get it. |
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Kris
Joined: 16 Sep 2002 Posts: 2550 Location: Sheffield
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 15:07 Post subject: |
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John Mc wrote: |
Charles Kennedy comes across as a decent bloke but sounding like he's got real authority about him. They need a media savvy Blair-esque leader to come in and sort out their public image.
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This reminds me of the day one of my friends told me the reason Labour never stood a chance in the 80's was because no one would ever vote in a Ginger Welshman.
The truly sad thing is he's probably right. nothing to do with decency or beliefs or policies, just pure image.  _________________ "fashioned by the blade of a world that doesn't care,
feeling so removed, drifting thru stealing air then...
pause and think about it, try to move and shift the pain, but it's there you feel it kicking and you scream and feel alive." |
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Dave w.
Joined: 12 Dec 2002 Posts: 840
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 17:27 Post subject: |
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isn't part of the problem with the lib dems that they're trying to be all things to all people? disillusioned tories who can't bring themselves to vote labour and 'old' labour voters who see them as a left-wing alternative make for a difficult target group of voters.
i've voted lib dem at the last 2 general elections, but apparently their target seats next time are mostly tory seats, so a move to the right looks possible, in which case i don't know who i'll vote for.  |
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pscenario
Joined: 19 Aug 2002 Posts: 28 Location: London
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 17:31 Post subject: |
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BC quote: "...not as clever as Noam Chomsky..."
Noam Chomsky is fooking ace! His earlier work on structural linguistics is really interesting (this comment is relative of course ), i've been using it in a dissertation on Films and Dreams recently. And, of course, his political speeches/interviews/essays are spot on. There's loads of his stuff at the following:
http://www.chomsky.info/
Read all of it if you've got a spare month!
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Setareh Juventina
Joined: 01 Dec 2002 Posts: 1415 Location: Norrköping, Sweden
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Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 21:35 Post subject: |
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ciaranm wrote: |
The bullying thing may have been misinterpreted I just used it as an example of a person that another person is more likley to detest, ie they are more likely to be from their personal life rather than a political figure (if they were being honest). |
I still disagree, I think many people who say they hate GW most of all really do. But I for one hate Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft and Rice just as much if not more. I hate heaps of politicians all over the world, and members of the IMF etc etc.
Love and Peace _________________ Man is the only animal clever enough to build The Empire State Building and stupid enough to jump from it. |
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John Mc
Joined: 29 Oct 2003 Posts: 1398
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Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 12:42 Post subject: |
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I saw some of the Liberal Democrats election broadcast the other night. Their message was basically "we weren't in favour of the war and everyone else was. Vote for us and punish the two main political parties." I reckon that approach might be the way to secure votes.
A big worry in the upcoming elections is that voter numbers will be so small that the BNP will be able to win some more seats. |
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Tommy Tynans Lovechild
Joined: 16 Jan 2003 Posts: 854 Location: People's Republic Of BS4 (Though always PL2 4Ever)
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Posted: Sat May 15, 2004 10:41 Post subject: |
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I think its quite easy to be critical of Moore, but to be fair to 'im his almost pamphleteering approach to book writing has raised the awareness of some very awful things to an audience that would otherwise have taken no notice and his absolute contempt for opposing views is highly entertaining. Normally its the left wingers who articulate and reason their views on tele whilst the right wingers argue simplicistcally and arrogantly. I think its great that Moore winds 'em up by stooping to their level. Yeah its cheap but sometimes its good to see him do it. |
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Tommy BOO
Joined: 21 Aug 2002 Posts: 3067 Location: here, there, and everywhere
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Posted: Thu May 27, 2004 21:11 Post subject: |
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Michael Moore's
Fahrenheit 9/11
has won the Palme d'Or in Cannes film festival, and according to the article I just read about it, it's the second time a documentary wins this prize, and from what I heard and read this one really deserved it.
Discuss. _________________
"Tommy Boo has played a pivotal role in my life. I've looked up to him since I was a kid and he has inspired every note of music I have ever written. The man is a fucking genius"
-BC
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